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		<title>By: oyunlar 1</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-45379</link>
		<dc:creator>oyunlar 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yoohoo down (503) …</description>
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		<title>By: rlparker</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43485</link>
		<dc:creator>rlparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's it!  I *knew* I had seen these types of posts somewhere else, but couldn't remember where.  It just dawned on me:  AOL! So *here* is where those twits ended up, posting comments on the DH Status Blog.

The occasional refreshing post where someone who knows something about how teh IntarWebs work are the only glimpses of sanity in a vast sea of clueless-ness...it's AOL all over agan, all right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it!  I *knew* I had seen these types of posts somewhere else, but couldn&#8217;t remember where.  It just dawned on me:  AOL! So *here* is where those twits ended up, posting comments on the DH Status Blog.</p>
<p>The occasional refreshing post where someone who knows something about how teh IntarWebs work are the only glimpses of sanity in a vast sea of clueless-ness&#8230;it&#8217;s AOL all over agan, all right!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43428</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  I forgot about that post.  

It really is nothing more than a marketing gimmick, when you're paying chump change for a shared hosting account. 

It's funny that people will steer clear of unlimited bandwidth &#38; disk space (smart move), yet get a warm fuzzy feeling in their belly when they see the SLA crap all over a web site.  

You could even have an account @ DH with no SLA, resell the space, and give your clients any SLA you want.  Doing that, you could technically take on customers that wanted to avoid DH because they think an SLA means something, and put them right where they didn't want to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  I forgot about that post.  </p>
<p>It really is nothing more than a marketing gimmick, when you&#8217;re paying chump change for a shared hosting account. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that people will steer clear of unlimited bandwidth &amp; disk space (smart move), yet get a warm fuzzy feeling in their belly when they see the SLA crap all over a web site.  </p>
<p>You could even have an account @ DH with no SLA, resell the space, and give your clients any SLA you want.  Doing that, you could technically take on customers that wanted to avoid DH because they think an SLA means something, and put them right where they didn&#8217;t want to be.</p>
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		<title>By: why2</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43376</link>
		<dc:creator>why2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should see what they had to say on SLA's on their blog...

Super Lame Apology - http://blog.dreamhost.com/2007/02/28/super-lame-apology/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see what they had to say on SLA&#8217;s on their blog&#8230;</p>
<p>Super Lame Apology - <a href="http://blog.dreamhost.com/2007/02/28/super-lame-apology/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dreamhost.com/2007/02/28/super-lame-apology/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43279</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d recommend getting a host that offers an SLA on up-time then.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
An SLA doesn't do anything.  Dreamhost could put a 100% SLA up right now and all it would change is that they'd throw a few pennies at whiners to pacify them during downtime--if they jumped through enough hoops and followed the correct procedures to collect on it.  Seeing how many people can't even find the support form, I'll guess that hardly anyone would be able to figure out how to collect the credit.

Plus, most SLAs are network SLAs.  Hardware problems? $0.  Thinking your site is down because you can't figure out how to run a traceroute?  $0.  Software problems?  $0.  Whoa, look at those credits add up!

People often mention Rackspace when talking about SLAs.  Even Rackspace, with their fancy SLA and sky-high pricing, has a one-hour hardware replacement SLA.  What good is a 100% uptime if your server isn't part of it?   And the hour doesn't even include rebuilding RAID arrays or OS reloading.

But, if they do take over an hour, they'll give you a whopping 5% credit for each hour after that.  So, at $500/month, that would be a $25 credit for 2 hours of downtime.  Is that really good?  Nope.  You'd be pissed that you were paying $500/month for two hours of downtime.  

That would be a HUGE fifty cent credit at DH pricing.  Like that would actually shut anyone up.  And you'd have to work for it--they don't just hand it over.

An SLA is nothing unless you're spending hundreds or thousands per month, where it can actually add up to an amount worth filling out forms to collect it.  Even a $500/month bill is barely worth it.  If you're getting a lot of SLA money because you're shelling out a bunch of $$$/month, then it would seem to indicate that you're not getting the level of service you thought you were paying for. 

Hmm... it's almost as if SLAs are nothing more than marketing gimmicks.   I'm shocked!

Anyway, thank you Dreamhost, for not insulting our intelligence with a lame SLA.  

Also, here's a few problems SLAs don't fix: 
- You still have downtime.
- Your customers will still yell at you. 
- Your business will still lose money while collecting a small credit. 

If only there was a way to not rely on a single host for uptime.  Hmm...  if only someone would invent a system that failed over somehow.  We could call it failover DNS.    Of course, hardly anyone would go for it, because actual redundancy (not free) isn't as fun as whining about downtime and trying to blame business failures on shared hosts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d recommend getting a host that offers an SLA on up-time then.</p></blockquote>
<p>An SLA doesn&#8217;t do anything.  Dreamhost could put a 100% SLA up right now and all it would change is that they&#8217;d throw a few pennies at whiners to pacify them during downtime&#8211;if they jumped through enough hoops and followed the correct procedures to collect on it.  Seeing how many people can&#8217;t even find the support form, I&#8217;ll guess that hardly anyone would be able to figure out how to collect the credit.</p>
<p>Plus, most SLAs are network SLAs.  Hardware problems? $0.  Thinking your site is down because you can&#8217;t figure out how to run a traceroute?  $0.  Software problems?  $0.  Whoa, look at those credits add up!</p>
<p>People often mention Rackspace when talking about SLAs.  Even Rackspace, with their fancy SLA and sky-high pricing, has a one-hour hardware replacement SLA.  What good is a 100% uptime if your server isn&#8217;t part of it?   And the hour doesn&#8217;t even include rebuilding RAID arrays or OS reloading.</p>
<p>But, if they do take over an hour, they&#8217;ll give you a whopping 5% credit for each hour after that.  So, at $500/month, that would be a $25 credit for 2 hours of downtime.  Is that really good?  Nope.  You&#8217;d be pissed that you were paying $500/month for two hours of downtime.  </p>
<p>That would be a HUGE fifty cent credit at DH pricing.  Like that would actually shut anyone up.  And you&#8217;d have to work for it&#8211;they don&#8217;t just hand it over.</p>
<p>An SLA is nothing unless you&#8217;re spending hundreds or thousands per month, where it can actually add up to an amount worth filling out forms to collect it.  Even a $500/month bill is barely worth it.  If you&#8217;re getting a lot of SLA money because you&#8217;re shelling out a bunch of $$$/month, then it would seem to indicate that you&#8217;re not getting the level of service you thought you were paying for. </p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; it&#8217;s almost as if SLAs are nothing more than marketing gimmicks.   I&#8217;m shocked!</p>
<p>Anyway, thank you Dreamhost, for not insulting our intelligence with a lame SLA.  </p>
<p>Also, here&#8217;s a few problems SLAs don&#8217;t fix:<br />
- You still have downtime.<br />
- Your customers will still yell at you.<br />
- Your business will still lose money while collecting a small credit. </p>
<p>If only there was a way to not rely on a single host for uptime.  Hmm&#8230;  if only someone would invent a system that failed over somehow.  We could call it failover DNS.    Of course, hardly anyone would go for it, because actual redundancy (not free) isn&#8217;t as fun as whining about downtime and trying to blame business failures on shared hosts.</p>
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		<title>By: hardedge</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43273</link>
		<dc:creator>hardedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thing you could balance the load on tab and sprite...</description>
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		<title>By: Luca Beltrame</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43256</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Beltrame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@andrew: You can subscribe to a RSS feed for outages/problems applying only to your server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andrew: You can subscribe to a RSS feed for outages/problems applying only to your server.</p>
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		<title>By: The Id</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43255</link>
		<dc:creator>The Id</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey Says:
June 21st, 2007 at 4:54 am
"Some of us are running businesses here "

This is where you both lose your argument and any shred of sympathy. What kind of business (that's obviously critical to your income, judging by your misguided ranting) runs on shared hosting?  Who is unprofessional now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey Says:<br />
June 21st, 2007 at 4:54 am<br />
&#8220;Some of us are running businesses here &#8221;</p>
<p>This is where you both lose your argument and any shred of sympathy. What kind of business (that&#8217;s obviously critical to your income, judging by your misguided ranting) runs on shared hosting?  Who is unprofessional now?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43252</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I [heart] DreamHost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I [heart] DreamHost.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew garton</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/06/20/fresca-down/#comment-43246</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew garton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, information about downtime posted via email would be very useful. I wasted a good deal of time today with my staff around email issues when I discovered the maintenance window on DH. I'm sorry, but I can't afford to spend time looking at status pages. Other than that, very happy with DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, information about downtime posted via email would be very useful. I wasted a good deal of time today with my staff around email issues when I discovered the maintenance window on DH. I&#8217;m sorry, but I can&#8217;t afford to spend time looking at status pages. Other than that, very happy with DH.</p>
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